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		<title>By: They&#8217;re still the last best hope for not having a filter &#171; An Onymous Lefty</title>
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		<dc:creator>They&#8217;re still the last best hope for not having a filter &#171; An Onymous Lefty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] should censor from adults material that&#8217;s inappropriate for children? Who is in fact behind the original proposal that morphed into Conroy&#8217;s bastard child? Many Greens members are very unhappy with the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] should censor from adults material that&#8217;s inappropriate for children? Who is in fact behind the original proposal that morphed into Conroy&#8217;s bastard child? Many Greens members are very unhappy with the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: The Conservative Renaissance has begun &#171; Public Polity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Conservative Renaissance has begun &#171; Public Polity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 01:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] framework that forms the basis for Conroy&#8217;s scheme. His official response to early articles about him is posted with permission over at [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Hoyden About Town</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hoyden About Town</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Nov 2008 08:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Think of the Children: &#8220;With a public intellectual like this, who needs barbarians?&#8221; 22 Nov [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jon Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/with-a-public-intellectual-like-this-who-needs-barbarians/comment-page-1/#comment-2545</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 06:43:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend has pointed me in direction of Kerry Miller&#039;s detailed &lt;a href=&quot;http://strangetimes.lastsuperpower.net/?p=150&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;discussion&lt;/a&gt; of Clive Hamilton&#039;s anti-pornography crusade. I wasn&#039;t aware of Kerry&#039;s post when I wrote this one, but if I had been, I certainly would have acknowledged it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend has pointed me in direction of Kerry Miller&#8217;s detailed <a href="http://strangetimes.lastsuperpower.net/?p=150" rel="nofollow">discussion</a> of Clive Hamilton&#8217;s anti-pornography crusade. I wasn&#8217;t aware of Kerry&#8217;s post when I wrote this one, but if I had been, I certainly would have acknowledged it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Seymour</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/with-a-public-intellectual-like-this-who-needs-barbarians/comment-page-1/#comment-2511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Seymour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarrod,

The analogy was certainly harsh, but if the other side of this debate is going to get rhetorical mileage out of constant references to child porn, bestiality and rape, I figure we are entitled to some too. You will note that I did not attempt to use it in a way that suggested my opponent was in anyway sympathetic to pedophilic priests. We can only regret that our opponents are not always so careful.

And speaking of opponents, Clive Hamilton has generously let me &lt;a href=&quot;http://broadbannedrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/11/reply-from-clive-hamilton-public.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;publish&lt;/a&gt; his response to my post in full, on my blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarrod,</p>
<p>The analogy was certainly harsh, but if the other side of this debate is going to get rhetorical mileage out of constant references to child porn, bestiality and rape, I figure we are entitled to some too. You will note that I did not attempt to use it in a way that suggested my opponent was in anyway sympathetic to pedophilic priests. We can only regret that our opponents are not always so careful.</p>
<p>And speaking of opponents, Clive Hamilton has generously let me <a href="http://broadbannedrevolution.blogspot.com/2008/11/reply-from-clive-hamilton-public.html" rel="nofollow">publish</a> his response to my post in full, on my blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 03:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing that annoys me the most is that those for the filter think that preventing access to child pornography is a cure all.

Alright then, so we block access to it with a so called &#039;filter&#039;. That doesn&#039;t actually stop the websites from existing, or the fact that children are still being abused to create this content. Even dumber is the fact that most of this content isn&#039;t transmitted over what is going to be filtered, beacuse THEY KNOW that it is illegal and it goes over encrypted channels like darknet, file sharing or even e-mail.

The money would be much better spent better funding the Federal Police in investigating and preventing the creation of illegal content such as child pornography.

Just because the filter stops people seeing this content, doesn&#039;t mean that it doesn&#039;t exist and children are being abused to create it. Stop the problem at it&#039;s source, not at the end. Prevention is better than cure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing that annoys me the most is that those for the filter think that preventing access to child pornography is a cure all.</p>
<p>Alright then, so we block access to it with a so called &#8216;filter&#8217;. That doesn&#8217;t actually stop the websites from existing, or the fact that children are still being abused to create this content. Even dumber is the fact that most of this content isn&#8217;t transmitted over what is going to be filtered, beacuse THEY KNOW that it is illegal and it goes over encrypted channels like darknet, file sharing or even e-mail.</p>
<p>The money would be much better spent better funding the Federal Police in investigating and preventing the creation of illegal content such as child pornography.</p>
<p>Just because the filter stops people seeing this content, doesn&#8217;t mean that it doesn&#8217;t exist and children are being abused to create it. Stop the problem at it&#8217;s source, not at the end. Prevention is better than cure.</p>
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		<title>By: digitalPhonix</title>
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		<dc:creator>digitalPhonix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for researching collating all this info on something Australia will (hopefully) look back on with shame.

It is a real pity though, that no mainstream media even gives a flying shit about the whole debacle, instead, all I hear is about Madonna&#039;s divorce.

The thing that will cause the most harm to the freedom of the internet will be the inaction of the majority. One of the biggest challenges of this cause is to get the message out to Australia.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for researching collating all this info on something Australia will (hopefully) look back on with shame.</p>
<p>It is a real pity though, that no mainstream media even gives a flying shit about the whole debacle, instead, all I hear is about Madonna&#8217;s divorce.</p>
<p>The thing that will cause the most harm to the freedom of the internet will be the inaction of the majority. One of the biggest challenges of this cause is to get the message out to Australia.</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond The Fringe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Logical Chorus of Discontent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond The Fringe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A Logical Chorus of Discontent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] from a Professor of Ethics with University maths training who regretted not studying philosophy, as Jon Seymour reveals in the foot of his superb dissection of Clive&#8217;s fuzzy thinking and intelle... - and it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] from a Professor of Ethics with University maths training who regretted not studying philosophy, as Jon Seymour reveals in the foot of his superb dissection of Clive&#8217;s fuzzy thinking and intelle&#8230; &#8211; and it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Comstock</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Comstock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 11:39:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In support of his scheme, Clive Hamilton points out, with seeming pride, that Australia already censors books, films, magazines, etc. 

I can testify from multiple first hand experience with the OFLC that the censorship regime already in place is whimsical, capricious, and wildly out of touch with the desires of the vast majority of Australian people; and I would submit to Mr. Hamilton and other who are keen to extend this regime to cyberspace that they should first address the failings of the regimes as it stands.

Until the censorship of books, films, magazine, video game, etc, is done in a manner that is consistent, equitable, rational and in keeping with &quot;community standards&quot; it is preposterous to suggest that the Australian government has the wear-with-all to censor the internet in anything other than a capricious manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In support of his scheme, Clive Hamilton points out, with seeming pride, that Australia already censors books, films, magazines, etc. </p>
<p>I can testify from multiple first hand experience with the OFLC that the censorship regime already in place is whimsical, capricious, and wildly out of touch with the desires of the vast majority of Australian people; and I would submit to Mr. Hamilton and other who are keen to extend this regime to cyberspace that they should first address the failings of the regimes as it stands.</p>
<p>Until the censorship of books, films, magazine, video game, etc, is done in a manner that is consistent, equitable, rational and in keeping with &#8220;community standards&#8221; it is preposterous to suggest that the Australian government has the wear-with-all to censor the internet in anything other than a capricious manner.</p>
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		<title>By: A Pragmatic Proposal: ISP Filters &#124; www.nickhodge.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Pragmatic Proposal: ISP Filters &#124; www.nickhodge.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 09:40:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] With a public intellectual like this, who needs barbarians? by Jon Seymour, detailing the lack of logic from the mandatory filtering side of the argument [...]</description>
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