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		<title>By: Terry Johns</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/whats-wrong-with-being-offended/comment-page-1/#comment-3007</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Johns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being offended is a choice we make in order to divert attention away from our inappropriate behavior. 

You can make offensive comments regarding what I may or may not believe but I don&#039;t have to be offended. If my being offended is a result of your comments then how can I be responsible for my actions. Its your fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being offended is a choice we make in order to divert attention away from our inappropriate behavior. </p>
<p>You can make offensive comments regarding what I may or may not believe but I don&#8217;t have to be offended. If my being offended is a result of your comments then how can I be responsible for my actions. Its your fault.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing wrong with bonking longer...

 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonking

&quot;Bonking is a card game for 4 players that is played with one deck of cards. Everyone plays for themselves. In total 11 rounds are played, in which every round has its own goal. The goal of the game is to score as many points as possible. The player who scores the most points is declared the winner.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing wrong with bonking longer&#8230;</p>
<p> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonking" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonking</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Bonking is a card game for 4 players that is played with one deck of cards. Everyone plays for themselves. In total 11 rounds are played, in which every round has its own goal. The goal of the game is to score as many points as possible. The player who scores the most points is declared the winner.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 06:22:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Eric&lt;/b&gt;:

Cheers for your comment. I&#039;m not suggesting that there is never cause for the removal of a billboard (the scenario you suggested being a good example). 

Censorship in public space is a controversial topic, and it&#039;s not something that&#039;s black and white. 

What I am saying is that if one approves the removal of the &#039;Want Longer Lasting Sex&#039; ads for the baseless reasons the ASB gave, than they must be prepared to have those same reasons thrown at them when other calls to censor arise. 

The problem with &quot;I believe that line needs to be drawn where people who may be offended by something can reasonably avoid it in their everyday lives&quot; is, like I said above, everyone finds something offensive. We all have different levels of acceptance. 

I agree that when it comes to to public space, there needs to be a line set. The ASB has set one and AMI complied. It&#039;s the reason for the removal that I object to.

I don&#039;t think drawing the line at &#039;sex&#039; is where we want to be. Some of us, yes, but all, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Eric</b>:</p>
<p>Cheers for your comment. I&#8217;m not suggesting that there is never cause for the removal of a billboard (the scenario you suggested being a good example). </p>
<p>Censorship in public space is a controversial topic, and it&#8217;s not something that&#8217;s black and white. </p>
<p>What I am saying is that if one approves the removal of the &#8216;Want Longer Lasting Sex&#8217; ads for the baseless reasons the ASB gave, than they must be prepared to have those same reasons thrown at them when other calls to censor arise. </p>
<p>The problem with &#8220;I believe that line needs to be drawn where people who may be offended by something can reasonably avoid it in their everyday lives&#8221; is, like I said above, everyone finds something offensive. We all have different levels of acceptance. </p>
<p>I agree that when it comes to to public space, there needs to be a line set. The ASB has set one and AMI complied. It&#8217;s the reason for the removal that I object to.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think drawing the line at &#8217;sex&#8217; is where we want to be. Some of us, yes, but all, no.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Wilkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Wilkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:39:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the issue with the Billboards in particular that most people object to is the lack of selectivity in their audience.  I actively support an R-18 classification for games and I strongly believe that it is my responsibility as a parent to &quot;think of the children&quot; and control their exposure.  I don&#039;t have a problem with &quot;adult&quot; advertising on TV (particularly in an appropriate timeslot and channel), magazine or even on the Internet as I can exercise some control over these things.

The problem with a 3 meter high billboard on a main road is that it difficult to stop my 6 year old from reading it.  For me the problem isn&#039;t the word &quot;sex&quot;, it is the word &quot;longer&quot;.  Answering a question about sex can be handled in an age appropriate manner.  Explaining longer is far more difficult. 

I think there is a clear distinction between censoring the activities of individuals in private homes (R18 games for example) and censoring things that are clearly visible in a public space - a much broader definition of &quot;community standards&quot; must be applied in this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the issue with the Billboards in particular that most people object to is the lack of selectivity in their audience.  I actively support an R-18 classification for games and I strongly believe that it is my responsibility as a parent to &#8220;think of the children&#8221; and control their exposure.  I don&#8217;t have a problem with &#8220;adult&#8221; advertising on TV (particularly in an appropriate timeslot and channel), magazine or even on the Internet as I can exercise some control over these things.</p>
<p>The problem with a 3 meter high billboard on a main road is that it difficult to stop my 6 year old from reading it.  For me the problem isn&#8217;t the word &#8220;sex&#8221;, it is the word &#8220;longer&#8221;.  Answering a question about sex can be handled in an age appropriate manner.  Explaining longer is far more difficult. </p>
<p>I think there is a clear distinction between censoring the activities of individuals in private homes (R18 games for example) and censoring things that are clearly visible in a public space &#8211; a much broader definition of &#8220;community standards&#8221; must be applied in this case.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 05:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike, I understand your point here, for the record I am particularly opposed to the governments ill conceived web censorship plans, but you are missing the point here and in doing so you are constructing an argument counter productive to your cause.

Q: Would you oppose a billboard outside your childrenâ€™s school depicting a man defecating in to another man&#039;s mouth?

A: Of course you would! - So the question is about &#039;where&#039; not &#039;if&#039; we draw the line.  

I believe that line needs to be drawn where people who may be offended by something can reasonably avoid it in their everyday lives. 

It is easy to avoid an image nested in a website (unless it shows up in a web search for â€˜Tomas the Tankâ€™), or within the pages of a magazine, this is less true of a billboard which by itâ€™s very nature is in your face.

Furthermore the company whoâ€™s billboards you are defending here are far from an idea ally in this campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike, I understand your point here, for the record I am particularly opposed to the governments ill conceived web censorship plans, but you are missing the point here and in doing so you are constructing an argument counter productive to your cause.</p>
<p>Q: Would you oppose a billboard outside your childrenâ€™s school depicting a man defecating in to another man&#8217;s mouth?</p>
<p>A: Of course you would! &#8211; So the question is about &#8216;where&#8217; not &#8216;if&#8217; we draw the line.  </p>
<p>I believe that line needs to be drawn where people who may be offended by something can reasonably avoid it in their everyday lives. </p>
<p>It is easy to avoid an image nested in a website (unless it shows up in a web search for â€˜Tomas the Tankâ€™), or within the pages of a magazine, this is less true of a billboard which by itâ€™s very nature is in your face.</p>
<p>Furthermore the company whoâ€™s billboards you are defending here are far from an idea ally in this campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: AMI has a new billboard. Start countdown to outrage - Somebody Think Of The Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>AMI has a new billboard. Start countdown to outrage - Somebody Think Of The Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:37:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] my post What&#8217;s Wrong With Being Offended for more on the AMI case and offensive material in general.  Stay up to date with censorship issues [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] my post What&#8217;s Wrong With Being Offended for more on the AMI case and offensive material in general.  Stay up to date with censorship issues [...]</p>
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		<title>By: I see a dead trend &#124; Vicarious Conversations</title>
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		<dc:creator>I see a dead trend &#124; Vicarious Conversations</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 03:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] it&#8217;s not dead.  It&#8217;s alive and kicking.  Mike talks about it here.  We do not like to be offended.  We do not like to be different.  Ken talks about being [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Tuna:&lt;/b&gt; Cheers mate.

&lt;b&gt;Colin:&lt;/b&gt; Principles of free speech for those types are unfortunately not applicable until they themselves want to exercise them. 

Would you say the USA is worse when it comes to &lt;em&gt;removing the offensive&lt;/em&gt;?

&lt;b&gt;Terrence:&lt;/b&gt; It&#039;s hard for me to think what it would be like to be one of those people. Demanding something be banned just because I don&#039;t agree with it. The thought sickens me :)

&lt;b&gt;Stevian:&lt;/b&gt; With ads like Hot Russian Babes, I&#039;d say it&#039;s often a case of the complainant wanting it gone to rid the urge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Tuna:</b> Cheers mate.</p>
<p><b>Colin:</b> Principles of free speech for those types are unfortunately not applicable until they themselves want to exercise them. </p>
<p>Would you say the USA is worse when it comes to <em>removing the offensive</em>?</p>
<p><b>Terrence:</b> It&#8217;s hard for me to think what it would be like to be one of those people. Demanding something be banned just because I don&#8217;t agree with it. The thought sickens me <img src='http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p><b>Stevian:</b> With ads like Hot Russian Babes, I&#8217;d say it&#8217;s often a case of the complainant wanting it gone to rid the urge.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find the piano ad annoying,and the &quot;Hot Russian babes want you&quot; grates as well. Know what I do? Change the channel. Billboard? walk on by. Why do peole find that so hard to do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find the piano ad annoying,and the &#8220;Hot Russian babes want you&#8221; grates as well. Know what I do? Change the channel. Billboard? walk on by. Why do peole find that so hard to do?</p>
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		<title>By: Terrence Valter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terrence Valter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mike,
Good point, during the furore about the Henson art I heard many talkback callers saying it was inappropriate. Inappropriate who cares? 

Free speech to critise is fair enough but the control freaks in our society don&#039;t just express their opinion, they demand bans.

Those of us against censorship are at a disadvantage, as by our nature we don&#039;t try to impose our values on others, sadly they don&#039;t play by the same rules.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,<br />
Good point, during the furore about the Henson art I heard many talkback callers saying it was inappropriate. Inappropriate who cares? </p>
<p>Free speech to critise is fair enough but the control freaks in our society don&#8217;t just express their opinion, they demand bans.</p>
<p>Those of us against censorship are at a disadvantage, as by our nature we don&#8217;t try to impose our values on others, sadly they don&#8217;t play by the same rules.</p>
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