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	<title>Comments on: Summary: Mark Newton Vs Jim Wallace on ABC Radio National net censorship debate</title>
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		<title>By: Jim Wallace - Soldier for Christ &#124; Sean the Blogonaut</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/mark-newton-vs-jim-walalce-abc-quick-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-3694</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Wallace - Soldier for Christ &#124; Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 01:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is well spoken and articulate, in addition to being quite willing to mislead the general public - ie Internet Filtering.  He and the organization he leads purport to be a non-denominational lobby group.  They are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is well spoken and articulate, in addition to being quite willing to mislead the general public &#8211; ie Internet Filtering.  He and the organization he leads purport to be a non-denominational lobby group.  They are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Wallace Vs Newton: A visual (and humourous) version of the debate - Somebody Think Of The Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wallace Vs Newton: A visual (and humourous) version of the debate - Somebody Think Of The Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Feb 2009 01:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a lighthearted visual version of the Jim Wallace and Mark Newton ISP filtering debate broadcast on ABC radio national last week, complete with a horn sound every time Wallace gets his facts wrong or spurts out logically [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Feb 2009 05:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@matthew:  In his speil he said it was to protect _parents_.

Seriously.  He actually said it.

The guy&#039;s a loon.  The bigger the megaphone he has, the more people he&#039;ll turn off.  He&#039;s never going to gain any more supporters than he already has because his views are so extreme, every time he&#039;s given a soapbox he just drives more people to our side.

Keep talking, Jimbo, you&#039;re doing a fabulous job :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@matthew:  In his speil he said it was to protect _parents_.</p>
<p>Seriously.  He actually said it.</p>
<p>The guy&#8217;s a loon.  The bigger the megaphone he has, the more people he&#8217;ll turn off.  He&#8217;s never going to gain any more supporters than he already has because his views are so extreme, every time he&#8217;s given a soapbox he just drives more people to our side.</p>
<p>Keep talking, Jimbo, you&#8217;re doing a fabulous job <img src='http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Syd Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 10:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Matthew 

There were Christian children in Iraq. Fewer now, after the violent break-up of Iraq&#039;s secular State (Tariq Aziz, Foreign Minister under Saddam was a Christian). Wallace didn&#039;t just support the illegal invasion of Iraq undertaken under false pretences - he berated authentic Christian leaders in Australia for not backing it too. There are conservative reports that two thirds of the nation&#039;s Christian&#039;s have now fled the coutnry thanks to Wallace &amp; co.

If that man is a Christian my dog&#039;s a Mormon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matthew </p>
<p>There were Christian children in Iraq. Fewer now, after the violent break-up of Iraq&#8217;s secular State (Tariq Aziz, Foreign Minister under Saddam was a Christian). Wallace didn&#8217;t just support the illegal invasion of Iraq undertaken under false pretences &#8211; he berated authentic Christian leaders in Australia for not backing it too. There are conservative reports that two thirds of the nation&#8217;s Christian&#8217;s have now fled the coutnry thanks to Wallace &amp; co.</p>
<p>If that man is a Christian my dog&#8217;s a Mormon.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 08:59:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark, maybe Jim only cares about protecting Christian children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark, maybe Jim only cares about protecting Christian children.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn Petrie</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/mark-newton-vs-jim-walalce-abc-quick-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-3662</link>
		<dc:creator>Glenn Petrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 06:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*lol* The comic was great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*lol* The comic was great.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/mark-newton-vs-jim-walalce-abc-quick-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-3660</link>
		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 04:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Wallace says he supports mandatory filtering in order to protect the children. It&#039;s always the children.

But Wallace is a hypocrite. He was a passionate supporter of the war in Iraq. Many Iraqi children were killed, along with many young American and British troops. So he doesn&#039;t REALLY care about the children--he just uses it as a shield to hide his disgusting bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Wallace says he supports mandatory filtering in order to protect the children. It&#8217;s always the children.</p>
<p>But Wallace is a hypocrite. He was a passionate supporter of the war in Iraq. Many Iraqi children were killed, along with many young American and British troops. So he doesn&#8217;t REALLY care about the children&#8211;he just uses it as a shield to hide his disgusting bigotry.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:39:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim Wallace has &lt;a href=&quot;http://anonymouslefty.blogspot.com/2006/06/irony.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;long been a twat&lt;/a&gt;, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim Wallace has <a href="http://anonymouslefty.blogspot.com/2006/06/irony.html" rel="nofollow">long been a twat</a>, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 03:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hang on, Jim - is it about child pornography (adults abusing children for sexual pleasure - which is what the minister keeps talking about) or children having access to adult pornography (which is what you were talking about on the radio, despite the only way of being able to stop that being to prevent all adults from accessing anything inappropriate for a child)? Make up your mind. And stop conflating the two.

Also - say you honestly believed that the government won&#039;t block material that adults can access legally in Australia. Will you then state for the record that if this WAS the result of the filter, you would oppose it? Or is it the case that you don&#039;t care if legal material is blocked or not? One or the other, Jim - yes or no.

And didn&#039;t you hear the IT guy point out that &lt;i&gt;no filter technology presented thus far let all legal content through&lt;/i&gt;? Funny, you didn&#039;t seem to have a response to that. Quick, let&#039;s pretend you didn&#039;t hear it.

Finally, your fridge analogy works better as a description of the filter - because of one bad fridge (the small percentage of child pornography on the internet) you want governments to cripple all fridges (the internet).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hang on, Jim &#8211; is it about child pornography (adults abusing children for sexual pleasure &#8211; which is what the minister keeps talking about) or children having access to adult pornography (which is what you were talking about on the radio, despite the only way of being able to stop that being to prevent all adults from accessing anything inappropriate for a child)? Make up your mind. And stop conflating the two.</p>
<p>Also &#8211; say you honestly believed that the government won&#8217;t block material that adults can access legally in Australia. Will you then state for the record that if this WAS the result of the filter, you would oppose it? Or is it the case that you don&#8217;t care if legal material is blocked or not? One or the other, Jim &#8211; yes or no.</p>
<p>And didn&#8217;t you hear the IT guy point out that <i>no filter technology presented thus far let all legal content through</i>? Funny, you didn&#8217;t seem to have a response to that. Quick, let&#8217;s pretend you didn&#8217;t hear it.</p>
<p>Finally, your fridge analogy works better as a description of the filter &#8211; because of one bad fridge (the small percentage of child pornography on the internet) you want governments to cripple all fridges (the internet).</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond The Fringe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Australian Net Censorship Catchup</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beyond The Fringe &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Australian Net Censorship Catchup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 13:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Summary: Mark Newton Vs Jim Wallace on ABC Radio National net censorship debate Unfortunately, Mr Wallace either doesn’t understand what ‘prohibited content‘ consists of or he has outright lied on air as the ACL’s pro filter website states ‘Despite fear-mongering about censorship, adults will be able to opt in to view some forms of legal porn.’ Just some forms of legal porn Jim? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Summary: Mark Newton Vs Jim Wallace on ABC Radio National net censorship debate Unfortunately, Mr Wallace either doesn’t understand what ‘prohibited content‘ consists of or he has outright lied on air as the ACL’s pro filter website states ‘Despite fear-mongering about censorship, adults will be able to opt in to view some forms of legal porn.’ Just some forms of legal porn Jim? [...]</p>
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