Comments on: Live filter pilot will not involve real customers

By: clarencegirl

clarencegirl — Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:20:20 +0000

Conroy’s office still insisting today there will be a live trial involving ISPs filtering their customers’ Internet use.
Are there in fact two trials running simulataneously?
Is he ordering a live trial involving the current ACMA blacklist and a closed trial of the hypothetical 10,000 ‘bad’ sites?
I’m totally confused.

By: Syd Walker

Syd Walker — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 05:08:27 +0000

Hmmm. This is all very OT. I raised the issue of the bogus Hitler quote as an incidental correction. Anyhow, I've written an article about it, which IMO is an interesting case of a contemporary 'internet legend'. It's HERE for those who care. On a lighter note, Conroy Junior's End of Term School Report has arrived. It's a shocker!

By: Stevian

Stevian — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 02:26:08 +0000

Syd, are you aware that the article you link to quotes and give page references to Mein Kampf, Effectively contradicting the very argument you propose.

By: stwa

stwa — Mon, 08 Dec 2008 00:42:50 +0000

Syd

*sigh* Don’t buy anything Derspatz says…The quote is from a book called Mein Kampf. A Book that Hitler wrote that book before Daniel Lapin was born.

“The state must declare the child to be the most precious treasure of the people. As long as the government is perceived as working for the benefit of the children, the people will happily endure almost any curtailment of liberty and almost any deprivation” – Mein Kampf

By: Syd Walker

Syd Walker — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:36:06 +0000

Not that this is exactly central to the topic at hand, but in the interests of accuracy… most of the Hitler quote cited by mld is bogus.

The author appears to be Rabbi Daniel Lapin, who wrote an imaginative article called ‘Hitler writes from the Grave’ in 2004. URL below. If anyone can prove otherwise please do.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36544

By: Jon Seymour

Jon Seymour — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 13:24:33 +0000

Clive Hamilton has argued that parents don’t want to be looking over their children’s shoulder because this will “reduce their (children’s) sense of responsibility and freedom”. In stating this he is effectively advocating the abdication of the exercise of parental responsibility in favour a Government mandated ISP filter. This is irresponsible and will only place children at greater risk.

Either the filter relieves parents of the responsibility to monitor their childrens internet access or it doesn’t. If it doesn’t want is the real advantage of having it?

By: Phillip Molly Malone

Phillip Molly Malone — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 10:33:11 +0000

Who’s telling them that they are “Safe online with a filter”? Sure there not saying safer? The Government seems to be saying that its a multi-facetited approach: http://www.dbcde.gov.au/communications_for_consumers/funding_programs__and__support/cyber-safety_plan

By: Geordie

Geordie — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 09:38:25 +0000

Molly,
You say “I don’t think they are doing this in lieu of trying to catch perverts and I don’t think they are going to say that you no longer have to monitor your kids internet usage either.”

The OCSET team that actually catch perverts for the AFP has had expansion put off for another year and their budget slashed by about 3 million bucks. Parents who are told that their children are safe online with a filter that doesn’t make them safe will assume it is. Sorry champ, you’re 0/2.

By: Phillip Molly Malone

Phillip Molly Malone — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 07:14:47 +0000

Isn’t the Working with Children Check a “technical controls to the medium”? I don’t think they are doing this in lieu of trying to catch perverts and I don’t think they are going to say that you no longer have to monitor your kids internet usage either. So the filter is the technical control and trying to catch them is social control.

I agree with your quickest way to improve the performance and I will opt-out day 1 (and have said this all along)!

The Moores law argument is interesting. I am not sure its accurate, but its interesting.

By: Jon Seymour

Jon Seymour — Sun, 07 Dec 2008 05:53:35 +0000

Geordie addresses the argument that Moore’s Law will rescue a filter from technological oblivion.

https://www.howtobeasystemsengineer.com/blog/?p=42

The quickest way to improve the performance of a filter-crippled ISP feed will be to opt-out of the filter.