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	<title>Comments on: Fred Nile sandwiches Gay Mardi Gras and Bill Henson</title>
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		<title>By: Cruise Ships</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cruise Ships</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jun 2010 04:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is to say they all do their Fred Nile and his comment that it’s hard hat his works can’t be sold in the Nile defined by it’s appropriateness.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is to say they all do their Fred Nile and his comment that it’s hard hat his works can’t be sold in the Nile defined by it’s appropriateness.</p>
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		<title>By: A letter against filtering from a concerned Christian mother - Somebody Think Of The Children</title>
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		<dc:creator>A letter against filtering from a concerned Christian mother - Somebody Think Of The Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 13:44:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] such an extreme way in online communication.  Of course The Australian Christian Lobby, being the fine up standing citizens they are, are in favour of filtering.  Stay up to date with censorship issues affecting Australia by [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dom, you&#039;ve about hit the nail on the head. And it is a fair point. And in history, when have nude paintings ever been censored. Guess we will have to whitewash over all those paintings featuring nude cherubs etc.

Fair enough, if what Bill Henson was doing involved any sort of sexual implications, let alone hardocore erotica scenes, yes then jail the man, but the human body as an object of art is something to be admired. Isn&#039;t that why parents of newborns get intimate photos of them cradling their young bundles of joy on their shoulder professionally done?

Besides, it goes to show societies perceptions on what is acceptable. Nudity is taboo, even though its just skin and bones at the end of the day, nothing more. And shots of violence and blood and gore are acceptable and shown at 8.30 at night when it is well known that not all kids sleep that early.

Finally, in regards to Fred Nile and his comment that it&#039;s hard to get turned on by X-Rated movies, seriously, at least admit to having some sort of libido. I&#039;ll admit myself that I have looked up porn. Pretty much every guy I know has looked up porn at some stage. Even if it is only on rare occasions, in this day and age, pretty much any computer literate male with warm blood and a couple of hours with nothing else to do is going to &quot;dabble&quot; in it, even out of curiosity just to see what the fuss is about, and so what? As long as it isn&#039;t something illegal (ie. child porn, beastiality and snuff) then what is wrong with it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dom, you&#8217;ve about hit the nail on the head. And it is a fair point. And in history, when have nude paintings ever been censored. Guess we will have to whitewash over all those paintings featuring nude cherubs etc.</p>
<p>Fair enough, if what Bill Henson was doing involved any sort of sexual implications, let alone hardocore erotica scenes, yes then jail the man, but the human body as an object of art is something to be admired. Isn&#8217;t that why parents of newborns get intimate photos of them cradling their young bundles of joy on their shoulder professionally done?</p>
<p>Besides, it goes to show societies perceptions on what is acceptable. Nudity is taboo, even though its just skin and bones at the end of the day, nothing more. And shots of violence and blood and gore are acceptable and shown at 8.30 at night when it is well known that not all kids sleep that early.</p>
<p>Finally, in regards to Fred Nile and his comment that it&#8217;s hard to get turned on by X-Rated movies, seriously, at least admit to having some sort of libido. I&#8217;ll admit myself that I have looked up porn. Pretty much every guy I know has looked up porn at some stage. Even if it is only on rare occasions, in this day and age, pretty much any computer literate male with warm blood and a couple of hours with nothing else to do is going to &#8220;dabble&#8221; in it, even out of curiosity just to see what the fuss is about, and so what? As long as it isn&#8217;t something illegal (ie. child porn, beastiality and snuff) then what is wrong with it?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 06:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I forgot to comment on Tazia&#039;s bizarre statement (and link to an article) about a court case that had absolutely nothing to do with Henson, not does it somehow prove that his works can&#039;t be sold in the UK. There&#039;s no link between the two.

Look, a book which compiles his work can be bought on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mnemosyne-Photographic-1974-2004-Bill-Henson/dp/3039390031&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Amazon.co.uk&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I forgot to comment on Tazia&#8217;s bizarre statement (and link to an article) about a court case that had absolutely nothing to do with Henson, not does it somehow prove that his works can&#8217;t be sold in the UK. There&#8217;s no link between the two.</p>
<p>Look, a book which compiles his work can be bought on <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Mnemosyne-Photographic-1974-2004-Bill-Henson/dp/3039390031" rel="nofollow">Amazon.co.uk</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:56:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“If you can’t sell it in England, is it art?”

There&#039;s always nudes on Antiques Roadshow :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If you can’t sell it in England, is it art?”</p>
<p>There&#8217;s always nudes on Antiques Roadshow <img src='http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 02:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tazia

&quot;I’m not surprised he was sneaking around primary schools.&quot;

Only in the same way talent scouts for TV, sporting institutions, and people representing many other reputable businesses and passtimes you probably wouldn&#039;t bat an eyelid at &quot;sneak&quot; around primary schools.  That is to say they all do their &quot;sneaking&quot; after attaining permission from the proper authorities and looking around the school in a completely supervised way.  None of them approach children directly and all subsequent contact is made through the parents of the children involved.

Honestly, you can&#039;t think you&#039;re holding a reasonable debate with comments like that.

I&#039;d argue that most people defending Bill Henson don&#039;t give a crap about his art.  What they are defending is society&#039;s right to approach matters of free speech and censorship with a clear head and reasoned debate rather than letting the fickle whims of moral panic decide what is acceptable or not.

So, with that in mind, as long as no parent and no subject of Bill Henson&#039;s work has alleged abuse on his part can we please stop demonising the man himself and just talk about the content and the context of the art work?  

Also:
&quot;If you can’t sell it in England, is it art?&quot;

That&#039;s the weirdest definition of art I&#039;ve ever heard.  It&#039;s definitely a good laugh, but I don&#039;t think the measure of somethings artistic merrit has ever been defined by it&#039;s appropriateness as a commodity in England before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tazia</p>
<p>&#8220;I’m not surprised he was sneaking around primary schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Only in the same way talent scouts for TV, sporting institutions, and people representing many other reputable businesses and passtimes you probably wouldn&#8217;t bat an eyelid at &#8220;sneak&#8221; around primary schools.  That is to say they all do their &#8220;sneaking&#8221; after attaining permission from the proper authorities and looking around the school in a completely supervised way.  None of them approach children directly and all subsequent contact is made through the parents of the children involved.</p>
<p>Honestly, you can&#8217;t think you&#8217;re holding a reasonable debate with comments like that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d argue that most people defending Bill Henson don&#8217;t give a crap about his art.  What they are defending is society&#8217;s right to approach matters of free speech and censorship with a clear head and reasoned debate rather than letting the fickle whims of moral panic decide what is acceptable or not.</p>
<p>So, with that in mind, as long as no parent and no subject of Bill Henson&#8217;s work has alleged abuse on his part can we please stop demonising the man himself and just talk about the content and the context of the art work?  </p>
<p>Also:<br />
&#8220;If you can’t sell it in England, is it art?&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the weirdest definition of art I&#8217;ve ever heard.  It&#8217;s definitely a good laugh, but I don&#8217;t think the measure of somethings artistic merrit has ever been defined by it&#8217;s appropriateness as a commodity in England before.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Stevian&lt;/b&gt;: Don&#039;t worry, it was more of light hearted comment about Bill M&#039;s dodgy quote than a real question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Stevian</b>: Don&#8217;t worry, it was more of light hearted comment about Bill M&#8217;s dodgy quote than a real question.</p>
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		<title>By: Stevian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stevian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 00:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a tough question Mike, and since I don&#039;t have children, one I cannot, and will not attempt to, answer. I was merely pointing out that statistics prove children are more at risk from those that they know and trust than from strangers.
http://www.stopchildabuse.com.au/aware/statistics.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a tough question Mike, and since I don&#8217;t have children, one I cannot, and will not attempt to, answer. I was merely pointing out that statistics prove children are more at risk from those that they know and trust than from strangers.<br />
<a href="http://www.stopchildabuse.com.au/aware/statistics.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.stopchildabuse.com.au/aware/statistics.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Stevian&lt;/b&gt;: Who would you rather mind your children: Bill Henson or Bill Muehlenberg? I know who I&#039;d choose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Stevian</b>: Who would you rather mind your children: Bill Henson or Bill Muehlenberg? I know who I&#8217;d choose.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 23:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@Tazia&lt;/b&gt;: Thousands? In that case it won&#039;t take long for you to list 10 here for us all to see, right? Even one or two? 

Fetish? based on what evidence? 

You know it&#039;s okay to say you don&#039;t like Bill Henson&#039;s work without writing vicious lies.

&lt;b&gt;@Matt&lt;/b&gt;: I&#039;m waiting for it also. 

&lt;B&gt;@Bob&lt;/b&gt;: Fred Nile&#039;s best work undoubtedly.

&lt;b&gt;@Stush&lt;/b&gt;: Yeah, the &#039;next&#039; worried me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@Tazia</b>: Thousands? In that case it won&#8217;t take long for you to list 10 here for us all to see, right? Even one or two? </p>
<p>Fetish? based on what evidence? </p>
<p>You know it&#8217;s okay to say you don&#8217;t like Bill Henson&#8217;s work without writing vicious lies.</p>
<p><b>@Matt</b>: I&#8217;m waiting for it also. </p>
<p><b>@Bob</b>: Fred Nile&#8217;s best work undoubtedly.</p>
<p><b>@Stush</b>: Yeah, the &#8216;next&#8217; worried me as well.</p>
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