Comments on: Filter trial: Gov gives iiNet the cold-shoulder, filter vendors backing small ISPs http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/filter-trial-gov-gives-iinet-the-cold-shoulder-filter-vendors-backing-small-isps/ Australian Censorship Discussion Blog Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:45:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Darkness at Noon » Mark Newton, Jim Wallace debating ISP level filtering http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/filter-trial-gov-gives-iinet-the-cold-shoulder-filter-vendors-backing-small-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-3682 Darkness at Noon » Mark Newton, Jim Wallace debating ISP level filtering Mon, 02 Feb 2009 02:50:25 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=2318#comment-3682 [...] (from Vimeo via Somebody Think of the Children. [...] [...] (from Vimeo via Somebody Think of the Children. [...]

]]> By: Bob Bain http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/filter-trial-gov-gives-iinet-the-cold-shoulder-filter-vendors-backing-small-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-3670 Bob Bain Fri, 30 Jan 2009 23:29:40 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=2318#comment-3670 For those who may not have seen this article here's a list of ISPs who have indicated they will or will not get involved in the filtering trial and their stated philosophical reasons.. http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-out-of-Conroy-s-filtering-trial/0,130061791,339293711,00.htm "iiNet's position, described on the site, was that internet filtering did not work, would impact on networks' performance and that the scope of "unwanted" content would grow over time." Westnet "We're just going to lean on the results of iiNet," a spokesperson for the company said. People Telecom : "We are not convinced that content filtering makes practical sense and we are concerned at the potential risk to service quality," the company posted in a forum. iPrimus : "It's easy for us to do it," iPrimus CEO Ravi Bhatia said. Netspace : "The filtering EOI as we received it was severely lacking in detail and the time frames were too unrealistic for us to participate," Netscape regulatory and carrier affairs manager Matthew Phillips said. Adam Internet : CEO Scott Hicks said that Adam Internet would send a discussion paper to the government on what it thinks should happen — that is that the filtering not go ahead in its current form. For those who may not have seen this article here’s a list of ISPs who have indicated they will or will not get involved in the filtering trial and their stated philosophical reasons..

http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/communications/soa/Telstra-out-of-Conroy-s-filtering-trial/0,130061791,339293711,00.htm

“iiNet’s position, described on the site, was that internet filtering did not work, would impact on networks’ performance and that the scope of “unwanted” content would grow over time.”

Westnet “We’re just going to lean on the results of iiNet,” a spokesperson for the company said.

People Telecom : “We are not convinced that content filtering makes practical sense and we are concerned at the potential risk to service quality,” the company posted in a forum.

iPrimus : “It’s easy for us to do it,” iPrimus CEO Ravi Bhatia said.

Netspace : “The filtering EOI as we received it was severely lacking in detail and the time frames were too unrealistic for us to participate,” Netscape regulatory and carrier affairs manager Matthew Phillips said.

Adam Internet : CEO Scott Hicks said that Adam Internet would send a discussion paper to the government on what it thinks should happen — that is that the filtering not go ahead in its current form.

]]> By: Dan http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/filter-trial-gov-gives-iinet-the-cold-shoulder-filter-vendors-backing-small-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-3669 Dan Fri, 30 Jan 2009 21:53:59 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=2318#comment-3669 iiNet oppose the filter, of course the government are not going to let a trial be run. Only an idiot would allow an enemy to poke even more holes in their shoddy product. iiNet oppose the filter, of course the government are not going to let a trial be run.

Only an idiot would allow an enemy to poke even more holes in their shoddy product.

]]> By: Stuart Anderson http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/filter-trial-gov-gives-iinet-the-cold-shoulder-filter-vendors-backing-small-isps/comment-page-1/#comment-3667 Stuart Anderson Fri, 30 Jan 2009 14:27:18 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=2318#comment-3667 "I’ve been hit up by several filtering vendors over the last year trying to sell me on the idea that their product won’t impinge upon free speech." Isn't that like saying "our guns won't kill people"? Much like a gun, a censoring system has a single purpose, it cannot do anything else. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie, and a boorish one at that. “I’ve been hit up by several filtering vendors over the last year trying to sell me on the idea that their product won’t impinge upon free speech.”

Isn’t that like saying “our guns won’t kill people”?

Much like a gun, a censoring system has a single purpose, it cannot do anything else. To suggest otherwise is an outright lie, and a boorish one at that.

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