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		<title>By: anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We are bringing the subject matter to the public&#039;s attention again. 

We will succeed.</description>
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<p>We will succeed.</p>
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		<title>By: bagga</title>
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		<dc:creator>bagga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Sep 2009 10:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unhelpful tactic.</description>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pretty pissed off the way it was reported in the media. I mean, ACMA&#039;s site getting defaced was a hack, DDoS&#039;ing the PM&#039;s site and bringing it down for 5 minutes is like chucking a bunch of stink bombs onto the floor of parliament while it&#039;s in session. It achieved nothing more than making the media :/ I tried to ring the ABC morning show when it happened to actually explain what it was, but couldn&#039;t get through</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty pissed off the way it was reported in the media. I mean, ACMA&#8217;s site getting defaced was a hack, DDoS&#8217;ing the PM&#8217;s site and bringing it down for 5 minutes is like chucking a bunch of stink bombs onto the floor of parliament while it&#8217;s in session. It achieved nothing more than making the media :/ I tried to ring the ABC morning show when it happened to actually explain what it was, but couldn&#8217;t get through</p>
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		<title>By: Aik</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aik</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 06:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shrug* If they&#039;re not going to listen to us, we need to *make* them listen to us - and it&#039;s hard to ignore your website being under DDoS. These attacks got the issue back into the media and the discussion going again, which is more than can be said for other efforts of late.

If it helps put your mind at ease a little - almost all of the comments on the ABC story about this were anti-filter and hesitantly supportative of Anonymous.

Attacks like this show that people don&#039;t want it very strongly - and if no grander organisation is going to take it into their hands to make a big mess of the filter, the Anonymous masses of the internet will do it their own way. Opposition to the filter has been fairly half-arsed since the protests in ... when was that? January?

Those protests which, I might point out, largely originated from /b/.

It&#039;s about time the internet community started making itself heard about this again - DDoS is just one nice and vocal way of doing that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shrug* If they&#8217;re not going to listen to us, we need to *make* them listen to us &#8211; and it&#8217;s hard to ignore your website being under DDoS. These attacks got the issue back into the media and the discussion going again, which is more than can be said for other efforts of late.</p>
<p>If it helps put your mind at ease a little &#8211; almost all of the comments on the ABC story about this were anti-filter and hesitantly supportative of Anonymous.</p>
<p>Attacks like this show that people don&#8217;t want it very strongly &#8211; and if no grander organisation is going to take it into their hands to make a big mess of the filter, the Anonymous masses of the internet will do it their own way. Opposition to the filter has been fairly half-arsed since the protests in &#8230; when was that? January?</p>
<p>Those protests which, I might point out, largely originated from /b/.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s about time the internet community started making itself heard about this again &#8211; DDoS is just one nice and vocal way of doing that.</p>
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		<title>By: james</title>
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		<dc:creator>james</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 22:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Notice how the media are pushing a DDoS as some great hacking campaign by a monolithic group.

A bunch of 4Chan kiddies with the low orbit ion cannon is hardly terrifying stuff. It is to hacking what holding hands is to an orgy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Notice how the media are pushing a DDoS as some great hacking campaign by a monolithic group.</p>
<p>A bunch of 4Chan kiddies with the low orbit ion cannon is hardly terrifying stuff. It is to hacking what holding hands is to an orgy.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 21:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Fiona Patten pointed out at the FORT forum this week material in the printed media is usually legal while it&#039;s equivilant in video form is usually illegal (to sell in most states).

The Internet is different given that static images that would be legal in a publication are classed as &quot;film&quot; due to the definition of a &quot;computer generated image&quot; in legislation and are treated (as far as legality is concerned) with video tape and DVD.  This was the case for the prohibited (but R rated) aborted fetus image.

I can&#039;t say that Jim Wallace appears to have got his head around the practicalties of the Conroy proposals defining it only as a &quot;blunt instrument&quot; but believing that a &quot;blunt instrument&quot; is better than nothing.

At the FORT forum it was pointed out that googling the term &quot;sexual fetish&quot; would return several million results (I just got over 8 million ) and it should be pointed out that some fetish material is legal and some illegal.  The term is a generality.  Typing other terms will result in thousands of results - some with explicit advertising - and in the countries from which the material originates it is often perfectly legal and is also usually legal to purchase possess and view in the State of New South Wales.

In his &quot;We can&#039;t wait for whales to use the internet&quot; press release he spells Patten Patton indicating to me that his mindset is firmly in the military where he served as a distinguished brigadeer.  Patton was a military commander.

It doesn&#039;t appear to have been noted anywhere (and I wasn&#039;t allowed to video or record the proceedings) but when asked if the current classification system was suitable for a dynamic environment such as the Internet Jim Wallace appeared to agree that it wasn&#039;t.

A review of the Australian classification system is long overdue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Fiona Patten pointed out at the FORT forum this week material in the printed media is usually legal while it&#8217;s equivilant in video form is usually illegal (to sell in most states).</p>
<p>The Internet is different given that static images that would be legal in a publication are classed as &#8220;film&#8221; due to the definition of a &#8220;computer generated image&#8221; in legislation and are treated (as far as legality is concerned) with video tape and DVD.  This was the case for the prohibited (but R rated) aborted fetus image.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t say that Jim Wallace appears to have got his head around the practicalties of the Conroy proposals defining it only as a &#8220;blunt instrument&#8221; but believing that a &#8220;blunt instrument&#8221; is better than nothing.</p>
<p>At the FORT forum it was pointed out that googling the term &#8220;sexual fetish&#8221; would return several million results (I just got over 8 million ) and it should be pointed out that some fetish material is legal and some illegal.  The term is a generality.  Typing other terms will result in thousands of results &#8211; some with explicit advertising &#8211; and in the countries from which the material originates it is often perfectly legal and is also usually legal to purchase possess and view in the State of New South Wales.</p>
<p>In his &#8220;We can&#8217;t wait for whales to use the internet&#8221; press release he spells Patten Patton indicating to me that his mindset is firmly in the military where he served as a distinguished brigadeer.  Patton was a military commander.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t appear to have been noted anywhere (and I wasn&#8217;t allowed to video or record the proceedings) but when asked if the current classification system was suitable for a dynamic environment such as the Internet Jim Wallace appeared to agree that it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>A review of the Australian classification system is long overdue.</p>
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		<title>By: Zapps</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zapps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While most people would disapprove of the attacks on PM and ACMA web sites, it does demonstrate vulnerabilities in online systems - national internet filters included.

If someone can hack these websites, someone can hack the filters.  Imagine hackers having access to an entire country&#039;s internet usage logs and being able to redirect and hijack any site accessed.

One of the great things about the internet is that its decentralised nature makes it more resilient to attacks.  Forcing everyone through a filter creates a central point of failure and additional security concerns.

The PM and ACMA sites being hacked didn&#039;t affect anything else.  But what if the filter was hacked?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While most people would disapprove of the attacks on PM and ACMA web sites, it does demonstrate vulnerabilities in online systems &#8211; national internet filters included.</p>
<p>If someone can hack these websites, someone can hack the filters.  Imagine hackers having access to an entire country&#8217;s internet usage logs and being able to redirect and hijack any site accessed.</p>
<p>One of the great things about the internet is that its decentralised nature makes it more resilient to attacks.  Forcing everyone through a filter creates a central point of failure and additional security concerns.</p>
<p>The PM and ACMA sites being hacked didn&#8217;t affect anything else.  But what if the filter was hacked?</p>
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		<title>By: Sean the Blogonaut</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean the Blogonaut</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foolish action whose only result was to play into the hands of Conroy&#039;s speech writers.</description>
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		<title>By: Kath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that activity such as that taken out by the Anonymous group is often more of a hindrance than a help to the campaign against the plan for a national internet filter.  Instead of rallying people to the cause, it alienates those that are hesitant or conservative in their views.  We want the conservatives to join us, not be offended at our actions.  

We do not need guerilla attacks, we need it to be all out in the open and discussed freely and without aggression or ignorance.

I know a lot of people who understand nothing of the proposal of a national internet filter, yet when they see reports of this kind of guerilla activity, their default decision on the matter is for the internet filter.  After all, they ask &quot;Don&#039;t filters keep hackers like these out?  I don&#039;t want hackers.&quot;

One thing we need to remember is that most of us who are fighting the good fight have a much stronger grasp of how the internet works, how a filter will affect it and what it will and won&#039;t do.  We need to be talking to those people who are not high end users and who do not understand all of the details, and convincing them of what we already know.

Yes, attacks such as we have seen from this Anonymous group get people talking about the cause, but not in a positive and supportive manner for our cause that we want and need them to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that activity such as that taken out by the Anonymous group is often more of a hindrance than a help to the campaign against the plan for a national internet filter.  Instead of rallying people to the cause, it alienates those that are hesitant or conservative in their views.  We want the conservatives to join us, not be offended at our actions.  </p>
<p>We do not need guerilla attacks, we need it to be all out in the open and discussed freely and without aggression or ignorance.</p>
<p>I know a lot of people who understand nothing of the proposal of a national internet filter, yet when they see reports of this kind of guerilla activity, their default decision on the matter is for the internet filter.  After all, they ask &#8220;Don&#8217;t filters keep hackers like these out?  I don&#8217;t want hackers.&#8221;</p>
<p>One thing we need to remember is that most of us who are fighting the good fight have a much stronger grasp of how the internet works, how a filter will affect it and what it will and won&#8217;t do.  We need to be talking to those people who are not high end users and who do not understand all of the details, and convincing them of what we already know.</p>
<p>Yes, attacks such as we have seen from this Anonymous group get people talking about the cause, but not in a positive and supportive manner for our cause that we want and need them to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t helping. I refused to get behind this stuff, I think inundating the minister&#039;s office with letters is a far more effective method to annoy the people involved. What&#039;s more, it&#039;s 100% legal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t helping. I refused to get behind this stuff, I think inundating the minister&#8217;s office with letters is a far more effective method to annoy the people involved. What&#8217;s more, it&#8217;s 100% legal</p>
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