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	<title>Comments on: Censorsdyne launched as Children&#8217;s groups oppose filter (but Conroy says they&#8217;re wrong)</title>
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		<title>By: Max T</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Sep 2009 22:50:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still have NOT seen this ad screened on free-to-air TV.

I wonder why.

Censorship, anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have NOT seen this ad screened on free-to-air TV.</p>
<p>I wonder why.</p>
<p>Censorship, anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Is Conroy&#8217;s filter cooked and ready to be served? - Somebody Think Of The Children</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/censorsdyne-launched-as-childrens-groups-oppose-filter-but-conroy-says-theyre-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-6317</link>
		<dc:creator>Is Conroy&#8217;s filter cooked and ready to be served? - Somebody Think Of The Children</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] same sort of thing we heard all the way back in December 2007. I&#8217;m certain orgainsations like Save the Children, who the Minister knows are vocally against the plan, would appreciate it if he didn&#8217;t make such offensive remarks. I know I [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] same sort of thing we heard all the way back in December 2007. I&#8217;m certain orgainsations like Save the Children, who the Minister knows are vocally against the plan, would appreciate it if he didn&#8217;t make such offensive remarks. I know I [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Syd Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Matthew.

You wrote: &quot;The advert is about censorship here.&quot;

I agree. That&#039;s what it should be about. But it isn&#039;t, as I pointed out.

He further wrote: &quot;I could really do without the insane conspiracy theories. Save them for your blog.&quot;

I&#039;m sorry Matthew, whoever you are. I had no idea you had proprietorial rights over this blog&#039;s comments. Thanks anyway for your tacit permission to publish what i like on my own blog. Very liberal of you in the circumstances, in view of your evident displeasure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Matthew.</p>
<p>You wrote: &#8220;The advert is about censorship here.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree. That&#8217;s what it should be about. But it isn&#8217;t, as I pointed out.</p>
<p>He further wrote: &#8220;I could really do without the insane conspiracy theories. Save them for your blog.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry Matthew, whoever you are. I had no idea you had proprietorial rights over this blog&#8217;s comments. Thanks anyway for your tacit permission to publish what i like on my own blog. Very liberal of you in the circumstances, in view of your evident displeasure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Qantas rejection of the Censordyne ad this would be in accordance with general airline policy - given that anythng which might cause inflight panic or disruption will be rejected.  This includes publications (for instance) that carry articles on the failures of air safety including accounts of air line disasters.

It could be that the word Iran in a political context may create dangers to staff and passengers if it arouses anger and hostility.

Qantas are not censoring the ad.  They are simply being cautious as they have to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Qantas rejection of the Censordyne ad this would be in accordance with general airline policy &#8211; given that anythng which might cause inflight panic or disruption will be rejected.  This includes publications (for instance) that carry articles on the failures of air safety including accounts of air line disasters.</p>
<p>It could be that the word Iran in a political context may create dangers to staff and passengers if it arouses anger and hostility.</p>
<p>Qantas are not censoring the ad.  They are simply being cautious as they have to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 08:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Syd, really now, do you honestly think the Get Up campaign is some sort of &quot;cross promotion to destabilise Iran&quot;. It&#039;s those kinds of comments from you that make me and others not take anything you say seriously at all. I don&#039;t care if the election were rigged or not in Iran. I really don&#039;t. The media did report that people said they were, but it&#039;s really hard to prove and may be sour grapes from the opposition (and the media reported that too). The advert is about censorship here. I don&#039;t why you are focusing on such a trivial, one line of dialogue in the ad. Anyway ACL is talking about &quot;Iranian-style censorship&quot;, NOT election rigging. And the Labor party&#039;s censorship plan with a secret list with no oversight is practically the same as China&#039;s and Iran&#039;s. I could really do without the insane conspiracy theories. Save them for your blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Syd, really now, do you honestly think the Get Up campaign is some sort of &#8220;cross promotion to destabilise Iran&#8221;. It&#8217;s those kinds of comments from you that make me and others not take anything you say seriously at all. I don&#8217;t care if the election were rigged or not in Iran. I really don&#8217;t. The media did report that people said they were, but it&#8217;s really hard to prove and may be sour grapes from the opposition (and the media reported that too). The advert is about censorship here. I don&#8217;t why you are focusing on such a trivial, one line of dialogue in the ad. Anyway ACL is talking about &#8220;Iranian-style censorship&#8221;, NOT election rigging. And the Labor party&#8217;s censorship plan with a secret list with no oversight is practically the same as China&#8217;s and Iran&#8217;s. I could really do without the insane conspiracy theories. Save them for your blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eddie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 03:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Whirlpoolian has reported that the Censordyne ad was shown on the Sky News channel this morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Whirlpoolian has reported that the Censordyne ad was shown on the Sky News channel this morning.</p>
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		<title>By: Syd Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 02:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Bob

I wish you were right, but I fear the ACL does not agree with me - not on the basis of the item you&#039;ve cited.

First, the ACL (unlike me) seems to want to restrict showings of the ad. 

My preference would be for Get Up to produce a better and more effective ad (without an unnecessary dual focus) - but I&#039;ll settle for simply making the point, when the opportunity arises as it has here, that the Get Up as currently released includes gratuitous (and most likely inaccurate) commentary about the recent Iranian election results.

The ACL&#039;s position is different. It says:

“It would be disappointing if people responding to Get Up’s plea for money were donating thinking Iranian-style censorship is what the Rudd Government had in mind.&quot;

It refers to: &quot;a misleading campaign comparing the Rudd Government’s cyber safety policy with Iranian-style political repression.&quot;

Actually, I think that&#039;s a smart line of attack for the ACL and other proponents of Internet censorship (which, of course, i&#039;m not). 

The ACL is probing the ad&#039;s weakest point. The notion that Rudd and co are trying to bring in an Internet censorship so they can rig elections - or turn Australian society into something more akin to Iran - is crap. Most people will see through that crap, whatever their views on the legitimacy of the recent Iranian election.

That&#039;s another reason why the spurious Iran commentary should ideally be taken out of the Get Up ad, if it is serve its primary overt goal effectively: building mass opposition to the Australian Government&#039;s plans for mandatory Internet censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bob</p>
<p>I wish you were right, but I fear the ACL does not agree with me &#8211; not on the basis of the item you&#8217;ve cited.</p>
<p>First, the ACL (unlike me) seems to want to restrict showings of the ad. </p>
<p>My preference would be for Get Up to produce a better and more effective ad (without an unnecessary dual focus) &#8211; but I&#8217;ll settle for simply making the point, when the opportunity arises as it has here, that the Get Up as currently released includes gratuitous (and most likely inaccurate) commentary about the recent Iranian election results.</p>
<p>The ACL&#8217;s position is different. It says:</p>
<p>“It would be disappointing if people responding to Get Up’s plea for money were donating thinking Iranian-style censorship is what the Rudd Government had in mind.&#8221;</p>
<p>It refers to: &#8220;a misleading campaign comparing the Rudd Government’s cyber safety policy with Iranian-style political repression.&#8221;</p>
<p>Actually, I think that&#8217;s a smart line of attack for the ACL and other proponents of Internet censorship (which, of course, i&#8217;m not). </p>
<p>The ACL is probing the ad&#8217;s weakest point. The notion that Rudd and co are trying to bring in an Internet censorship so they can rig elections &#8211; or turn Australian society into something more akin to Iran &#8211; is crap. Most people will see through that crap, whatever their views on the legitimacy of the recent Iranian election.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s another reason why the spurious Iran commentary should ideally be taken out of the Get Up ad, if it is serve its primary overt goal effectively: building mass opposition to the Australian Government&#8217;s plans for mandatory Internet censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Syd Walker

The Australian Christian Lobby seemingly agree with you and requests Qantas to review the claims before airing the ads.

http://au.christiantoday.com/article/iran-claims-a-long-way-from-truth-about-protecting-kids-online/6635.htm

&quot;Iran claims a long way from truth about protecting kids online&quot;

The ACL also give tacit approval to R rated and X rated pornography

The ACL is &quot;hopeful the current trial results will show that kids can be protected from X and R rated pornography with an opt in system for adults who wish to view this material&quot;

----------

 Now the job for the ACL is sift through the millions of sites on the Internet (several million) and rate them according to the standards of the Australian government.

 To put it mildly they don&#039;t have the resources and neither does the government or any of it&#039;s agencies particularly that RC material includes a very broad range of material indeed.

 Ownership of bestiality is prohibited in Tasmania and Western Australia and seemingly also New Zealand - but not in New South Wales where it has been sold in selected outlets within this State.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Syd Walker</p>
<p>The Australian Christian Lobby seemingly agree with you and requests Qantas to review the claims before airing the ads.</p>
<p><a href="http://au.christiantoday.com/article/iran-claims-a-long-way-from-truth-about-protecting-kids-online/6635.htm" rel="nofollow">http://au.christiantoday.com/article/iran-claims-a-long-way-from-truth-about-protecting-kids-online/6635.htm</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Iran claims a long way from truth about protecting kids online&#8221;</p>
<p>The ACL also give tacit approval to R rated and X rated pornography</p>
<p>The ACL is &#8220;hopeful the current trial results will show that kids can be protected from X and R rated pornography with an opt in system for adults who wish to view this material&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p> Now the job for the ACL is sift through the millions of sites on the Internet (several million) and rate them according to the standards of the Australian government.</p>
<p> To put it mildly they don&#8217;t have the resources and neither does the government or any of it&#8217;s agencies particularly that RC material includes a very broad range of material indeed.</p>
<p> Ownership of bestiality is prohibited in Tasmania and Western Australia and seemingly also New Zealand &#8211; but not in New South Wales where it has been sold in selected outlets within this State.</p>
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		<title>By: Syd Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Syd Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 00:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Matthew, in a short TV advertisement, every word is very carefully chosen. If you don&#039;t know that, you know little about the advertising industry.

The Get-up ad promotes two key ideas: (a) the Australian Government&#039;s censorship plans for the Internet are silly (b) the elections in Iran were rigged.

Do you think that&#039;s mere accident? Or are you happy about the cross-promotion of two quite different campaigns?

I understand that in the circles in which Get Up people and their ad industry friends move, such views about the Iranian elections are so commonplace and universally accepted that no-one may have thought much about it. That&#039;s quite possible. 

If so, I would like to correct their complacent certainty. 

It&#039;s one thing to swallow western mainstream propaganda without exercising one&#039;s own critical faculties. It&#039;s another to regurgitate it, publicly, whilst pretending to be doing something else.

The final cheek is to ask for public subscription to support this agenda. Yuk. 

Why doenn&#039;t Get Up ask for a top up from Soros if they&#039;re running low on cash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew, in a short TV advertisement, every word is very carefully chosen. If you don&#8217;t know that, you know little about the advertising industry.</p>
<p>The Get-up ad promotes two key ideas: (a) the Australian Government&#8217;s censorship plans for the Internet are silly (b) the elections in Iran were rigged.</p>
<p>Do you think that&#8217;s mere accident? Or are you happy about the cross-promotion of two quite different campaigns?</p>
<p>I understand that in the circles in which Get Up people and their ad industry friends move, such views about the Iranian elections are so commonplace and universally accepted that no-one may have thought much about it. That&#8217;s quite possible. </p>
<p>If so, I would like to correct their complacent certainty. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s one thing to swallow western mainstream propaganda without exercising one&#8217;s own critical faculties. It&#8217;s another to regurgitate it, publicly, whilst pretending to be doing something else.</p>
<p>The final cheek is to ask for public subscription to support this agenda. Yuk. </p>
<p>Why doenn&#8217;t Get Up ask for a top up from Soros if they&#8217;re running low on cash?</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously Syd, what the fuck are you on about now? Seriously, only you could link a passing reference to Iran&#039;s elections in a ad to some bizarre conspiracy theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously Syd, what the fuck are you on about now? Seriously, only you could link a passing reference to Iran&#8217;s elections in a ad to some bizarre conspiracy theory.</p>
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