Comments on: ACMA issues EFA with Link Deletion Notice http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/ Australian Censorship Discussion Blog Thu, 26 Aug 2010 02:45:52 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bob Bain http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5368 Bob Bain Sat, 09 May 2009 23:15:54 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5368 The issue is documented in the "No Censorship" forum at:- http://www.ausbdsm.org/nocensorship/viewtopic.php?t=69 Admin (who originated the post) makes the point:- "This is a typical example of how the internet will be under the proposed net filters. It is not illegal for pro life organisations to produce these images in their pamphlets and shove them into the faces of distressed women who are seeking abortions, but it is illegal for the same images to be seen on the internet by all Australians." I believe the site is hosted overseas. It's not clear to me which ISP hosts the No Censorship forum. It isn't clear to me what happens if a URL is converted into a "tiny URL" and whether tiny URL's are also blacklisted. If people started talking about this issue using Twitter using tiny URLs how would conversations invoving the issue be removed from Twitter at the behest of an agency of the Australian government ? Bob The issue is documented in the “No Censorship” forum at:-

http://www.ausbdsm.org/nocensorship/viewtopic.php?t=69

Admin (who originated the post) makes the point:-

“This is a typical example of how the internet will be under the proposed net filters. It is not illegal for pro life organisations to produce these images in their pamphlets and shove them into the faces of distressed women who are seeking abortions, but it is illegal for the same images to be seen on the internet by all Australians.”

I believe the site is hosted overseas. It’s not clear to me which ISP hosts the No Censorship forum. It isn’t clear to me what happens if a URL is converted into a “tiny URL” and whether tiny URL’s are also blacklisted. If people started talking about this issue using Twitter using tiny URLs how would conversations invoving the issue be removed from Twitter at the behest of an agency of the Australian government ?

Bob

]]> By: Glenn http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5355 Glenn Fri, 08 May 2009 10:42:30 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5355 This is the main reason why I hate ACMA. They have been pricks ever since the organization was formed. This is the main reason why I hate ACMA. They have been pricks ever since the organization was formed.

]]> By: Bob Bain http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5341 Bob Bain Wed, 06 May 2009 12:41:16 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5341 "Would be interesting to know what would happen if someone placed the actual url on a T-Shirt, mugs, other paraphernalia etc and handed them out at the Official Opening Ceremony for CeBIT Australia (8:00am 07-MAY-09) at Darling Harbour." If you had copyright in the material and burnt it to CD or DVD then as it appears the material is R18+ material then in the State of New South Wales you could legally sell the DVD or CD and people could purchase and own it legally. It's only illegal to point to the URL and I doubt if a ROT13 "encrypted" version violates the Act. There may be a ROT13 encrypted version of the URL on a website somewhere, someplace !! Bob “Would be interesting to know what would happen if someone placed the actual url on a T-Shirt, mugs, other paraphernalia etc and handed them out at the Official Opening Ceremony for CeBIT Australia (8:00am 07-MAY-09) at Darling Harbour.”

If you had copyright in the material and burnt it to CD or DVD then as it appears the material is R18+ material then in the State of New South Wales you could legally sell the DVD or CD and people could purchase and own it legally.

It’s only illegal to point to the URL and I doubt if a ROT13 “encrypted” version violates the Act.

There may be a ROT13 encrypted version of the URL on a website somewhere, someplace !!

Bob

]]> By: Bob Bain http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5340 Bob Bain Wed, 06 May 2009 12:04:27 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5340 http://jjj.nobegvbagi.pbz/Cvpf/NobegvbaCvpgherf6.ugz is NOT a prohibited URL ! Bob http://jjj.nobegvbagi.pbz/Cvpf/NobegvbaCvpgherf6.ugz

is NOT a prohibited URL !

Bob

]]> By: G Thompson http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5338 G Thompson Wed, 06 May 2009 08:25:44 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5338 Ooops make that 12 May 2009 for Opening Ceremony at CeBIT. The 7th is the RSVP date for attending the breakfast at the Darling harbour Parkside Ballroom A. Ooops make that 12 May 2009 for Opening Ceremony at CeBIT.

The 7th is the RSVP date for attending the breakfast at the Darling harbour Parkside Ballroom A.

]]> By: G Thompson http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5337 G Thompson Wed, 06 May 2009 08:23:17 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5337 Would be interesting to know what would happen if someone placed the actual url on a T-Shirt, mugs, other paraphernalia etc and handed them out at the Official Opening Ceremony for CeBIT Australia (8:00am 07-MAY-09) at Darling Harbour Where none other than The Minister for Sillyness Himself "Sen Conroy" [The Real One :)] and The Premier of the Silly Law State "Nathan Rees" are special Guests. Wonder what they would do? Especially since it is NOT illegal to have the texts on anything that IS NOT a web site. Also any photos of the T-Shirts etc showing the url in plain view Would also be exempt if placed on Any Australian Website. Just a thought Would be interesting to know what would happen if someone placed the actual url on a T-Shirt, mugs, other paraphernalia etc and handed them out at the Official Opening Ceremony for CeBIT Australia (8:00am 07-MAY-09) at Darling Harbour

Where none other than The Minister for Sillyness Himself “Sen Conroy” [The Real One :) ] and The Premier of the Silly Law State “Nathan Rees” are special Guests.

Wonder what they would do? Especially since it is NOT illegal to have the texts on anything that IS NOT a web site. Also any photos of the T-Shirts etc showing the url in plain view Would also be exempt if placed on Any Australian Website.

Just a thought

]]> By: Matthew http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5336 Matthew Wed, 06 May 2009 07:41:42 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5336 But you see ACMA is only doing their job based on legislation. They're not actually giving them a hard time on purpose, nor are they out to censor political content. The problem lies in the fact those who write such laws aren't thinking of the unintended consequences of those laws. So Senator Conroy possibly honestly believes that the laws weren't intended to censor political content, but he doesn't seem to get due to the nature of the legislation they actually do end up censoring political content. Both the government (current and the one circa 1999) have dug a giant hole for themselves here and it's certainly bit Conroy on the arse a number of times in the last six months. But you see ACMA is only doing their job based on legislation. They’re not actually giving them a hard time on purpose, nor are they out to censor political content. The problem lies in the fact those who write such laws aren’t thinking of the unintended consequences of those laws. So Senator Conroy possibly honestly believes that the laws weren’t intended to censor political content, but he doesn’t seem to get due to the nature of the legislation they actually do end up censoring political content. Both the government (current and the one circa 1999) have dug a giant hole for themselves here and it’s certainly bit Conroy on the arse a number of times in the last six months.

]]> By: Pharaoh http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5335 Pharaoh Wed, 06 May 2009 07:11:58 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5335 They should probably consider international hosting, I have strong doubts this'll be the last time ACMA gives them trouble for their 'radical' views on censorship. They should probably consider international hosting, I have strong doubts this’ll be the last time ACMA gives them trouble for their ‘radical’ views on censorship.

]]> By: Bob Bain http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5334 Bob Bain Wed, 06 May 2009 03:16:30 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5334 http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/302161/watchdog_threatens_online_rights_group_11k_fine Watchdog threatens online rights group with $11k fine EFA forced to remove blacklist link EFA board member and Labor party member Colin Jacobs said the redress should alarm Internet users because it was part of a political discussion about online censorship. “The link was offered as a demonstration of the sorts of controversial content that could and would be included in any such proposal. No “offensive” material was included on our site itself,” Jacobs said on the EFA Web site. “This system, which costs Australian taxpayers millions each year, is clearly unworkable. Because the content is hosted overseas, it remains untouched by ACMA’s directives. “With fines of up to $11,000 per day threatened against our hosting provider, we have little choice but to comply with ACMA’s directive,” he said. http://www.computerworld.com.au/article/302161/watchdog_threatens_online_rights_group_11k_fine

Watchdog threatens online rights group with $11k fine EFA forced to remove blacklist link

EFA board member and Labor party member Colin Jacobs said the redress should alarm Internet users because it was part of a political discussion about online censorship.

“The link was offered as a demonstration of the sorts of controversial content that could and would be included in any such proposal. No “offensive” material was included on our site itself,” Jacobs said on the EFA Web site.

“This system, which costs Australian taxpayers millions each year, is clearly unworkable. Because the content is hosted overseas, it remains untouched by ACMA’s directives.

“With fines of up to $11,000 per day threatened against our hosting provider, we have little choice but to comply with ACMA’s directive,” he said.

]]> By: Arved von Brasch http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-issues-efa-with-link-deletion-notice/comment-page-1/#comment-5333 Arved von Brasch Wed, 06 May 2009 02:49:28 +0000 http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/?p=3044#comment-5333 Is there anything to be read into the fact that the two public take down notices were both to websites that were critical of the government? Is there anything to be read into the fact that the two public take down notices were both to websites that were critical of the government?

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