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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6316</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:15:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mark Newton: ‘YouTube’s age requesting system isn’t even satisfactory for MA15+ content.’

You’re right. But YouTube doesn’t even try in relation to MA 15+ style content, as far as I can tell. That it, it seems that they only attempt to block material inappropriate for people under 18. I haven’t really checked, though.

In any event, MA 15+ content on YouTube wouldn’t be prohibited content even if their access system didn’t qualify as a valid restricted access system in relation to MA 15+ content.

The definition of ‘prohibited content’ in cl 20(1) of sch 7 to the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 (Cth) is such that it applies to MA 15+ content only if that content is provided for a fee. (That YouTube receives advertising revenue is not relevant.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mark Newton: ‘YouTube’s age requesting system isn’t even satisfactory for MA15+ content.’</p>
<p>You’re right. But YouTube doesn’t even try in relation to MA 15+ style content, as far as I can tell. That it, it seems that they only attempt to block material inappropriate for people under 18. I haven’t really checked, though.</p>
<p>In any event, MA 15+ content on YouTube wouldn’t be prohibited content even if their access system didn’t qualify as a valid restricted access system in relation to MA 15+ content.</p>
<p>The definition of ‘prohibited content’ in cl 20(1) of sch 7 to the Broadcasting Services Act 1992 (Cth) is such that it applies to MA 15+ content only if that content is provided for a fee. (That YouTube receives advertising revenue is not relevant.)</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6315</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 22:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The technology may not be complicated, but there is no way every website providing material which ACMA deems MA15+ upwards will consent to such a draconian system.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The technology may not be complicated, but there is no way every website providing material which ACMA deems MA15+ upwards will consent to such a draconian system.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6314</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 21:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have also registered my age with..

 http://www.myvideo.de/

Lustige videos ?  Interviews with porn stars appear to feature at the moment.

This is an excellent way for me to brush up on my German.  I even managed to read the sign up document.

Although the world appears to the ill informed to be dominated by YouTube there are numerous video sharing sites around the globe - very few of them controlled by Google or large agencies.

I could even establish one on the my local black box web server (QNAP TS-209 Pro)

http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=82

The technology isn&#039;t complicated and I have software that can do this for me but I don&#039;t do it as I have no need to serve up this form of content in a business oriented environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have also registered my age with..</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.myvideo.de/" rel="nofollow">http://www.myvideo.de/</a></p>
<p>Lustige videos ?  Interviews with porn stars appear to feature at the moment.</p>
<p>This is an excellent way for me to brush up on my German.  I even managed to read the sign up document.</p>
<p>Although the world appears to the ill informed to be dominated by YouTube there are numerous video sharing sites around the globe &#8211; very few of them controlled by Google or large agencies.</p>
<p>I could even establish one on the my local black box web server (QNAP TS-209 Pro)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=82" rel="nofollow">http://www.qnap.com/pro_detail_feature.asp?p_id=82</a></p>
<p>The technology isn&#8217;t complicated and I have software that can do this for me but I don&#8217;t do it as I have no need to serve up this form of content in a business oriented environment.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6312</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It could be argued that point of view put forward with regards to age verification is at odds with Australian legislation.  I have argued that it is my right to access material even though an agency of an Australian government (there are several agencies and several governments in Australia) has issued a &quot;legislative instrument&quot; namely the Restricted Access Declaration 2007 which can be viewed in .pdf format at:

http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310563/ras_declaration_2007.pdf

I would argue that this instrument denies me my rights as an international citizen under Article 19 of the Declaration of Human Rights

http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/

Article 19.

•Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It could be argued that point of view put forward with regards to age verification is at odds with Australian legislation.  I have argued that it is my right to access material even though an agency of an Australian government (there are several agencies and several governments in Australia) has issued a &#8220;legislative instrument&#8221; namely the Restricted Access Declaration 2007 which can be viewed in .pdf format at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310563/ras_declaration_2007.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.acma.gov.au/webwr/_assets/main/lib310563/ras_declaration_2007.pdf</a></p>
<p>I would argue that this instrument denies me my rights as an international citizen under Article 19 of the Declaration of Human Rights</p>
<p><a href="http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/" rel="nofollow">http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/</a></p>
<p>Article 19.</p>
<p>•Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.</p>
<p> &#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6311</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Steve yes - a similar idea was floated several years ago with regards to pornography and &quot;artisic merit&quot;.  The actor and actress would during sexual intercourse discuss the philosphical ideas of Greek philosphers.

In the United States &quot;artisic merit&quot; is a defence.  Clearly if the actors are discussing philosophy it has to contain the necessary elements of &quot;artistic merit&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Steve yes &#8211; a similar idea was floated several years ago with regards to pornography and &#8220;artisic merit&#8221;.  The actor and actress would during sexual intercourse discuss the philosphical ideas of Greek philosphers.</p>
<p>In the United States &#8220;artisic merit&#8221; is a defence.  Clearly if the actors are discussing philosophy it has to contain the necessary elements of &#8220;artistic merit&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 05:23:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had a brilliant idea. Political porn :D I&#039;ll find some BDSM stuff and put a voice over about capitalism and the free market. If it get censored, send a link to Rudd himself and tell him he&#039;s trying to censor my political opinions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had a brilliant idea. Political porn <img src='http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;ll find some BDSM stuff and put a voice over about capitalism and the free market. If it get censored, send a link to Rudd himself and tell him he&#8217;s trying to censor my political opinions</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
		<link>http://www.somebodythinkofthechildren.com/acma-blacklists-iran-protest-video/comment-page-1/#comment-6309</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 04:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With respect to my last response which points to the video site &quot;garagetv.com&quot; a lookup on the registry indicates that this is located in Mechelen Belgium which according to Wikipedia is a Dutch speaking city in the Province of Antwerp which led me to believe at first that it was located in the Netherlands.

In addition to being an Australian Citizen I am a citizen of the European Union and have registered my age in accordance with my citizenship of birth.

Not only is the Internet global in nature so are it&#039;s citizens.  People travel into this country and out of this country on a regular basis.

I can register my age with any content provider while outside Australia and as far as I can tell the age verification procedures used (if legal outside Australia) would be legal if accessing content within Australia if the legalities of registering my age had already been performed outside this country.

I notice that a prominent EFA member appears to be in China and has seemingly experienced blocks to the right to access content.

Searchi result from google.cn: &quot;Your search results may not comply with relevant laws and policy and can&#039;t be displayed.&quot; #dontbeevil (18th. August 2009)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With respect to my last response which points to the video site &#8220;garagetv.com&#8221; a lookup on the registry indicates that this is located in Mechelen Belgium which according to Wikipedia is a Dutch speaking city in the Province of Antwerp which led me to believe at first that it was located in the Netherlands.</p>
<p>In addition to being an Australian Citizen I am a citizen of the European Union and have registered my age in accordance with my citizenship of birth.</p>
<p>Not only is the Internet global in nature so are it&#8217;s citizens.  People travel into this country and out of this country on a regular basis.</p>
<p>I can register my age with any content provider while outside Australia and as far as I can tell the age verification procedures used (if legal outside Australia) would be legal if accessing content within Australia if the legalities of registering my age had already been performed outside this country.</p>
<p>I notice that a prominent EFA member appears to be in China and has seemingly experienced blocks to the right to access content.</p>
<p>Searchi result from google.cn: &#8220;Your search results may not comply with relevant laws and policy and can&#8217;t be displayed.&#8221; #dontbeevil (18th. August 2009)</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Aug 2009 02:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YouTube ?  I just had my age verified with Garage TV.com

Here&#039;s a sample MA15+ possibly

Nu ook sextape Lindsay Lohan. Hier voorproefje! (06:03)

http://www.garagetv.com/video-gallery/chucky1967/Nu_ook_sextape_Lindsay_Lohan_Hier_voorproefje_.aspx

I note there is a related video of a Japanese man peeling a banana.  I haven&#039;t rated that as yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YouTube ?  I just had my age verified with Garage TV.com</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a sample MA15+ possibly</p>
<p>Nu ook sextape Lindsay Lohan. Hier voorproefje! (06:03)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.garagetv.com/video-gallery/chucky1967/Nu_ook_sextape_Lindsay_Lohan_Hier_voorproefje_.aspx" rel="nofollow">http://www.garagetv.com/video-gallery/chucky1967/Nu_ook_sextape_Lindsay_Lohan_Hier_voorproefje_.aspx</a></p>
<p>I note there is a related video of a Japanese man peeling a banana.  I haven&#8217;t rated that as yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Newton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Newton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 22:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@chris: YouTube&#039;s age requesting system isn&#039;t even satisfactory for MA15+ content.

The requirements for a RAS for MA15+ are in Sections 5 to 9 of Part 2 of the Restricted Access System Declaration 2007.

Sec 5 says all of sections 6 - 9 must be complied with, not just some of them.  

Sec 6 says the system must require an access-seeker to apply, in writing or in electronic form, for access with a declaration that they&#039;re at least 15 years old.  Perhaps YouTube complies with that.

Sec 7 says that a warning must be provided about the nature of MA15+ content (which YouTube doesn&#039;t do, at least not in the form understood by Australia&#039;s classification system).  Furthermore, safety information about how a parent or guardian may control access to MA15+ content by persons under 15 years of age must be provided, which YouTube manifestly does not do.

Sec 8 says that MA15+ content can&#039;t be provided unless the system has verified, for each access, that compliance with secs 6 and 7 has been met.  Maybe YouTube does that.

Sec 9 says that the RAS must include measures that will be taken to remove, without delay, an applicant&#039;s access to MA15+ content if the applicant has been given access in contravention of Sec 8.  YouTube absolutely does not do that, and I&#039;m not aware of any other RAS that does that either.  As far as I know, Youtube has no mechanism whatsoever to prevent an individual from viewing MA15+ content if they&#039;re discovered to be under the age of 15.

So with secs 7 and 9 (minimally) not being met, my conclusion is that YouTube is not using a Restricted Access System that complies with section 14(1) of Schedule 7 to the BSA.

So the question then is, &quot;Is YouTube&#039;s content being sold for profit or as part of a profit-making enterprise?&quot;  Because if it is, all content on YouTube which is MA15+ should be prohibited by ACMA (because all of the other subclauses of sec 20(3)(c) are met in YouTube&#039;s case)

  - mark</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@chris: YouTube&#8217;s age requesting system isn&#8217;t even satisfactory for MA15+ content.</p>
<p>The requirements for a RAS for MA15+ are in Sections 5 to 9 of Part 2 of the Restricted Access System Declaration 2007.</p>
<p>Sec 5 says all of sections 6 &#8211; 9 must be complied with, not just some of them.  </p>
<p>Sec 6 says the system must require an access-seeker to apply, in writing or in electronic form, for access with a declaration that they&#8217;re at least 15 years old.  Perhaps YouTube complies with that.</p>
<p>Sec 7 says that a warning must be provided about the nature of MA15+ content (which YouTube doesn&#8217;t do, at least not in the form understood by Australia&#8217;s classification system).  Furthermore, safety information about how a parent or guardian may control access to MA15+ content by persons under 15 years of age must be provided, which YouTube manifestly does not do.</p>
<p>Sec 8 says that MA15+ content can&#8217;t be provided unless the system has verified, for each access, that compliance with secs 6 and 7 has been met.  Maybe YouTube does that.</p>
<p>Sec 9 says that the RAS must include measures that will be taken to remove, without delay, an applicant&#8217;s access to MA15+ content if the applicant has been given access in contravention of Sec 8.  YouTube absolutely does not do that, and I&#8217;m not aware of any other RAS that does that either.  As far as I know, Youtube has no mechanism whatsoever to prevent an individual from viewing MA15+ content if they&#8217;re discovered to be under the age of 15.</p>
<p>So with secs 7 and 9 (minimally) not being met, my conclusion is that YouTube is not using a Restricted Access System that complies with section 14(1) of Schedule 7 to the BSA.</p>
<p>So the question then is, &#8220;Is YouTube&#8217;s content being sold for profit or as part of a profit-making enterprise?&#8221;  Because if it is, all content on YouTube which is MA15+ should be prohibited by ACMA (because all of the other subclauses of sec 20(3)(c) are met in YouTube&#8217;s case)</p>
<p>  &#8211; mark</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Bain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:02:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The text of the deleted article mentioned above can also be found here..

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